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Graphics card upgrade.
Ok I am using currently a GTX 1080 TI using DAZ with Iray. What I am wondering if anyone who had made the jump to the 20 series cards (RTX 2080 ti ) Do you see a significant jump in performance like shorter renders. Currently depending on lighting complexity and reflective surfaces my renders are 15 minutes to 8 hours or more. Just wondering if its worth the upgrade cause I know IRAY is supposed to be optimized for RTX cards just wondering by how much.    Thanks in advance

The short answer is: yes it's worth the upgrade.

From what I've read, you wouldn't necessarily have to upgrade from a GTX 2080 TI to an RTX 2080TI to see an improvement in performance. Even, say, upgrading to an RTX 2070 would be a significant boost in performance. The jump from GTX to RTX is such that whatever you're using the card for (renders or just gaming) doesn't necessarily have to be optimized for raytracing (the game or the program) to see an improvement without going from say 2080 TI straight over to RTX 2080TI - even lower priced models will net you a noticeable improvement.


Not only will you see a noticeable difference in the quality of your renders, but, RTX's are across the board more energy and heat efficient - you'll be rendering using less power and producing less heat.


From my own experience: I'm in the middle of upgrading my rig and went from a 2GB GTX 960 to an 8GB RTX 2070 Super. Which is a pretty big leap forward. Still using a 6 core FX 6300 processor with the new card. I saw an improvement in being able to work within a scene while in texture shaded mode (decrease in lag time while loading new assets and posing), an improvement in previewing a scene in iRay mode (less time to load the scene in iRay mode), a decrease in render time (I can do in an hour what used to take 8 hours) and an increase in quality of the final render. 

While rendering with the 2GB 960, my renders would take 8 hours, and after a month of rendering daily, my system began to overheat and shutdown frequently. Definitely cause for concern. While I upgraded my card, but not my processor, I also upgraded to a very roomy EATX case, upgraded from a 650W power supply to a 1500W power supply, and added a liquid cooler for my 6core FX 6300 processor. 

My renders now take not only far less time, but also, my processor doesn't even trip the temp warning (set @ 60 degrees celsius) let alone shut down my rig. In addition, the renders look noticeably better. 

I understand there's probably a lot of difference between my current upgrade and what you're planning, but, I hope that helps. 


For anyone else with a graphics card that's not as beefy as the GTX 2080TI but more along the lines of what I used to use, and looking to upgrade to RTX,   hope that helps.


If anything, even though there might not be a significant decrease in render time, know that there will definitely be a noticeable difference in the quality of the renders themselves. Furthermore, if rendering for hours at a time, it will be less strenuous on your system until you upgrade everything else (less heat produced, less power required).


As for responses from anyone else that upgraded from a GTX 2080 TI to an RTX 2080TI, it might help to explain:

- what types of scenes are you rendering? indoor / outdoor? multiple figures or solo? lots of morphs / complex poses?

- what are you currently doing to reduce the size of your renders? deleting objects not in frame or making them invisible? reducing resolution of textures on objects / figures not in focus? etc.

Actually in gaming a GTX 1080 ti is actually only about 5% less powerful than a RTX 2080ti. The only real benefit in gaming is the ability to turn on ray tracing and dlss 2.0. I know the performance capabilities in gaming. My original post wanted to know if specially wanted to know the increase in performance between raytracing the scenes in Iray and the 1080 ti rendering them without the ai boost a RTX card provides . Btw a 2070 would be a huge downgrade for someone with a 1080 ti in gaming.  Btw there is no such thing as a GTX 2080 ti. And I am not wasting $700 or more dollars for a 5% bump in gaming. 
Edited by: Renderdragon
Renderdragon said: Actually in gaming a GTX 1080 ti is actually only about 5% less powerful than a RTX 2080ti. The only real benefit in gaming is the ability to turn on ray tracing and dlss 2.0. I know the performance capabilities in gaming. My original post wanted to know if specially wanted to know the increase in performance between raytracing the scenes in Iray and the 1080 ti rendering them without the ai boost a RTX card provides . Btw a 2070 would be a huge downgrade for someone with a 1080 ti in gaming.  Btw there is no such thing as a GTX 2080 ti. And I am not wasting $700 or more dollars for a 5% bump in gaming. 

You should check out the benchmark page on the daz forums https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/341041/daz-studio-iray-rendering-hardware-benchmarking/p1, I've been through a few card upgrades and have posted my benchmarks on here (xionis)

I started out with a GTX 980, then to a RTX 2060...then 2080 Super, 2080 Ti and now i'm running 2 RTX Titans. But my AMD 3970x Threadripper alone seems to get about the same score as GTX 1080's according to other benchmarks....However if I were you i'd wait a few more months because the 3000 series are coming soon :) 

Thank you so much. My google-fu failed me on finding that. Yeah I am going to build a new rig around the RTX 3080 if its actually called that. Ampere is going to be a beast for DAZ
Im still running a Maxwell Titan X, which is positively ancient compared the cards I see most other people using for rendering. I really need an upgrade, but fuck GPU prices atm. Might have to bite the bullet soon though, as much as this card has been amazing, its finally showing to start it's age :/

Anybody know of a decent card in the $40 to $75 range? I know nothing about graphics cards and am currently rocking an Intel HD Graphics 2000. I figure just about any card's gotta be better than that, right?

WilsonHoncho said:

Anybody know of a decent card in the $40 to $75 range? I know nothing about graphics cards and am currently rocking an Intel HD Graphics 2000. I figure just about any card's gotta be better than that, right?


You are not going to get anything decent for that amount. You should be starting with a GTX1080 at the least. A GTX1080Ti for proper gpu rendering. I have two Gtx1080ti's in my main machine, I sculpt on my imac pro, and have two RTX2080's in my main render machine.
WilsonHoncho said:

Anybody know of a decent card in the $40 to $75 range? I know nothing about graphics cards and am currently rocking an Intel HD Graphics 2000. I figure just about any card's gotta be better than that, right?


Yeah your gonna need to spend at least $600+ on a card for GPU rendering if your interested in doing anything but pixel art  . Remember Pixar needs a full server farm and 3 years to make a movie. To render with a $70 card will finish in a day and a half IF your lucky as the Vram will likely fill on that budget.

WilsonHoncho said:

Anybody know of a decent card in the $40 to $75 range? I know nothing about graphics cards and am currently rocking an Intel HD Graphics 2000. I figure just about any card's gotta be better than that, right?


Hey WilsonHoncho, I'm a huge fan!

I'm honestly shocked and extremely impressed that you've been creating your awesome works with an Intel HD Graphics 2000! That's amazing!

For your budget, I would recommend the GTX 960. It was a pretty decent card for 3D gaming when it came out, and now that's it's aged two generations you should be able to find one with an aftermarket cooler on eBay, or maybe your local Craigslist :).

The only thing I'm not sure of is how Poser will scale the performance, since I've never used Poser myself, but the GPU will be a massive upgrade for your system for sure :).

The other thing is that if this is a pre-built system, like an older Dell or something like that, you may need to upgrade your power supply as well before you can add a GPU!



GleamTwo said:
WilsonHoncho said:

Anybody know of a decent card in the $40 to $75 range? I know nothing about graphics cards and am currently rocking an Intel HD Graphics 2000. I figure just about any card's gotta be better than that, right?


Hey WilsonHoncho, I'm a huge fan!

I'm honestly shocked and extremely impressed that you've been creating your awesome works with an Intel HD Graphics 2000! That's amazing!

For your budget, I would recommend the GTX 960. It was a pretty decent card for 3D gaming when it came out, and now that's it's aged two generations you should be able to find one with an aftermarket cooler on eBay, or maybe your local Craigslist :).

The only thing I'm not sure of is how Poser will scale the performance, since I've never used Poser myself, but the GPU will be a massive upgrade for your system for sure :).

The other thing is that if this is a pre-built system, like an older Dell or something like that, you may need to upgrade your power supply as well before you can add a GPU!




Well this is good to know.

I just did my first render in DAZ, this being my first time ever using it.

I have a 6 year old Lenovo W540 that has an

NVIDIA Quadro K2100M and an Intel HD Graphics 4600. It works fine for 3D CAD but took 10 minutes to render a basic naked Genisis 8 figure with nothing else. I have no problem waiting overnight for complex renders as this is just a hobby.

sketchy said:

GleamTwo said:

WilsonHoncho said:

Anybody know of a decent card in the $40 to $75 range? I know nothing about graphics cards and am currently rocking an Intel HD Graphics 2000. I figure just about any card's gotta be better than that, right?


Hey WilsonHoncho, I'm a huge fan!

I'm honestly shocked and extremely impressed that you've been creating your awesome works with an Intel HD Graphics 2000! That's amazing!

For your budget, I would recommend the GTX 960. It was a pretty decent card for 3D gaming when it came out, and now that's it's aged two generations you should be able to find one with an aftermarket cooler on eBay, or maybe your local Craigslist :).

The only thing I'm not sure of is how Poser will scale the performance, since I've never used Poser myself, but the GPU will be a massive upgrade for your system for sure :).

The other thing is that if this is a pre-built system, like an older Dell or something like that, you may need to upgrade your power supply as well before you can add a GPU!




Well this is good to know.

I just did my first render in DAZ, this being my first time ever using it.

I have a 6 year old Lenovo W540 that has an


NVIDIA Quadro K2100M and an Intel HD Graphics 4600. It works fine for 3D CAD but took 10 minutes to render a basic naked Genisis 8 figure with nothing else. I have no problem waiting overnight for complex renders as this is just a hobby.


That's awesome! Another thing is that Daz Studio actually features two rendering engines :).

One is called iRay, and the other is called 3Delight, which is intended for lower spec systems, and pretty quick to render. You won't have to wait as long! lol.

You can enable 3Delight in your Render Settings in Daz Studio :).

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Edited by: GleamTwo
GleamTwo said:

sketchy said:

GleamTwo said:

WilsonHoncho said:

Anybody know of a decent card in the $40 to $75 range? I know nothing about graphics cards and am currently rocking an Intel HD Graphics 2000. I figure just about any card's gotta be better than that, right?


Hey WilsonHoncho, I'm a huge fan!

I'm honestly shocked and extremely impressed that you've been creating your awesome works with an Intel HD Graphics 2000! That's amazing!

For your budget, I would recommend the GTX 960. It was a pretty decent card for 3D gaming when it came out, and now that's it's aged two generations you should be able to find one with an aftermarket cooler on eBay, or maybe your local Craigslist :).

The only thing I'm not sure of is how Poser will scale the performance, since I've never used Poser myself, but the GPU will be a massive upgrade for your system for sure :).

The other thing is that if this is a pre-built system, like an older Dell or something like that, you may need to upgrade your power supply as well before you can add a GPU!




Well this is good to know.

I just did my first render in DAZ, this being my first time ever using it.

I have a 6 year old Lenovo W540 that has an


NVIDIA Quadro K2100M and an Intel HD Graphics 4600. It works fine for 3D CAD but took 10 minutes to render a basic naked Genisis 8 figure with nothing else. I have no problem waiting overnight for complex renders as this is just a hobby.


That's awesome! Another thing is that Daz Studio actually features two rendering engines :).

One is called iRay, and the other is called 3Delight, which is intended for lower spec systems, and pretty quick to render. You won't have to wait as long! lol.

You can enable 3Delight in your Render Settings in Daz Studio :).

5-rssy-3delight-to-iray-conve.jpg5-rssy-3delight-to-iray-conve.jpg5-rssy-3delight-to-iray-conve.jpgde0wdre-4c4aa507-64e9-432e-82d6-172fb8516426.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvODk5NzNiM2ItODg5OS00ZDMwLWEzZWMtNzE4YzE3MDBmNzM0XC9kZTB3ZHJlLTRjNGFhNTA3LTY0ZTktNDMyZS04MmQ2LTE3MmZiODUxNjQyNi5qcGcifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9hZCJdfQ.wPl33aaB4-lgXX5DsA7jHZMoM_TTriTADkS7s08ZzX0de0wdre-4c4aa507-64e9-432e-82d6-172fb8516426.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvODk5NzNiM2ItODg5OS00ZDMwLWEzZWMtNzE4YzE3MDBmNzM0XC9kZTB3ZHJlLTRjNGFhNTA3LTY0ZTktNDMyZS04MmQ2LTE3MmZiODUxNjQyNi5qcGcifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9hZCJdfQ.wPl33aaB4-lgXX5DsA7jHZMoM_TTriTADkS7s08ZzX0

Thank you for the pointe on the 2 rendering engines. I do not think I will need images more than 1080p as they would be going into eBooks and documents. I was going to use this as an excuse to upgrade my computer but will wait until I am proficient with DAZ.
GleamTwo said:
WilsonHoncho said:

Anybody know of a decent card in the $40 to $75 range? I know nothing about graphics cards and am currently rocking an Intel HD Graphics 2000. I figure just about any card's gotta be better than that, right?


Hey WilsonHoncho, I'm a huge fan!

I'm honestly shocked and extremely impressed that you've been creating your awesome works with an Intel HD Graphics 2000! That's amazing!

For your budget, I would recommend the GTX 960. It was a pretty decent card for 3D gaming when it came out, and now that's it's aged two generations you should be able to find one with an aftermarket cooler on eBay, or maybe your local Craigslist :).

The only thing I'm not sure of is how Poser will scale the performance, since I've never used Poser myself, but the GPU will be a massive upgrade for your system for sure :).

The other thing is that if this is a pre-built system, like an older Dell or something like that, you may need to upgrade your power supply as well before you can add a GPU!




Thank you for the kind words and the advice! Poser's firefly engine has a lot of tweakable dials and values. I managed to find a setting that allowed me to get decent quality with reasonable render times. It's got its limitations but I've never really been trying for the "photoreal" look so it serves me well enough.


Still on the hunt for a graphics card but the budget seems to keep shrinking and I'm getting by alright with what I have so it's not a major priority. At this point I'm thinking I might just end up tucking money away and getting a whole new computer somewhere down the line.